The software that runs this website is called "Stack Exchange 1.0".
Stack Exchange 2.0 is coming: http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-2-0
First the good news: Stack Exchange 2.0 is going to be free.
Now the bad news: The current version of SQLA (using Stack Exchange 1.0 software) will probably be shut down on Tuesday, July 13, 2010... that's the date displayed on the SQLA "admin" page. This is not my idea... I'm just finding out about it now.
Migrating to Stack Exchange 2.0 software is not simply a technical exercise, otherwise I wouldn't be asking what you think.
If you care about SQLA then please read this long blog post and tell us what you think: http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-2-0
asked 14 Apr '10, 10:31
Several people have asked the question (in one form or another): "What is Sybase iAnywhere going to do about this?"
Let me be clear, I am not answering that question just yet. Why? Because we don't exactly know what we are going to do.
That said, however, those of us within Sybase who have participated in the SQLA experiment have been quite busy discussing what we could do. While we have remained silent in this public forum, we have been quite vocal among ourselves.
In particular, we have been following all the discussion in this thread with much interest.
So, while I can't offer a solution just yet, I want to be absolutely clear:
We do not want to let this SQLA community die, and together, I am sure we will come up with something that will enable it to continue.
I would personally like to see SQLA move to Stack Exchange 2.0. It's a valuable resource for me and my business. Also, the interface is better than a traditional newsgroup interface.
I hope it keeps going... Good Luck!
answered 14 Apr '10, 15:04
I would also like to see SQLA to continue.
The StackExchange Layout has proven to be a useful interface. If we find a Open Source replacement it's fine for me. The Open Source alternative would make it possible for Sybase to host SQLA later for the community. It would be a good addition to the current support offerings and could be a replacement for the existing support via news groups.
Thanks for the good work Breck.
answered 14 Apr '10, 18:23
I love how SQLA works... and I love all you guys that make this a great community. I can also tell you that I've won over the hearts of a couple non-belivers in SQL Anywhere by pointing out the existence of SQLA.
The one thing I haven't liked about Stack Exchange in general, is that it is held by a private company that has no interest in the success of the SQL Anywhere as a product. What can happen is what Joel says is happening -- SE 1.0 is going away.
The fact that SQLA is owned (I think) by Breck, hasn't bothered me a bit. He has contributed countless hours in this... out of pure graciousness as far as I can tell. But he does have a personal interest in the success of the product. Once the $149/month bills start hitting Breck's mailbox, I was wondering if it would still work for him. (I was privately rooting for an advertising model if necessary, but that doesn't work unless you have a substantial volume of page views.)
What if Breck went away and focused instead on MySQL group? (Breck is already on record with a blog post extolling the virtues of MySQL ;-)
This platform (SQLA) has given me access to Sybase's best and brightest by posting here. I would really hate to see that go away.
I've been using what we now call SQL Anywhere since it was called Watcom SQL 2.0. But I could never find an NNTP client that I liked, so I never went to the newsgroups, instead either finding the answers the hard way, or just not ever using cool features about the product that I didn't know about (hello? Derived tables? I'm talking about you!) I've often wondered how much more popular SQL Anywhere would be if support wasn't primarily though NNTP.
Anyway, if the SE 2.0 model doesn't work, who knows what Joel and his investors will do next. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Meanwhile, having this open question hanging in the air really impedes the growth of SQLA. Who wants to invest in building a database of questions and answers if it it only going to disappear in July?
Having heard form Breck this morning, I came and read this discussion and thought I should add a few comments:
I'm really sorry for all the stress everyone is feeling from the fear of disruption, but I think you have a neat community started here and everything will be OK.
answered 17 Apr '10, 11:50
Since I'm not shure if commenting is responding to the pool, I decided to do both (after commenting). Yes, I'd like SQLA to be continued, if it's on Stack Exchange or SE 2.0.
And thanks for your time and dedication!
answered 14 Apr '10, 15:06
Reading the StackExchange plan it seems pretty bureaucratic and really you wonder if its likely to last any longer than it takes to burn the VC's cash. In SE2 sites only seem to exist at the whim of SE's owners and private, or 3rd party owned or 3rd party hosted sites aren't allowed any more.
I don't think anyone, whatever issues they may have with SQLA, disagrees that it's a world better than the newsgroups, however I don't see that SE2 really offers a long term way forward, and certainly not one that I would think iAnywhere would want to endorse. Despite the chat on SE's site about not leaving existing communities in the lurch, it looks like that's exactly what will happen to sites like SQLA come July.
I don't know if Breck has been able to examine any of the alternatives, but I notice that one open source offering, OSQA, has a StackExchange import that seems to work well enough for Home School Help Desk to have migrated. It looks slightly different, but all the essentials are there and since it uses MySQL it can probably be made to run on SQLAnywhere! At least an Open Source solution would stop anyone else from just switching SQLA off some day!
I love 2 things about SQLA: 1. It is easier to search and read. 2. Breck watches over it and keeps it extremely useful to us.
We certainly DO want to see SQLA continued!
Since Breck currently does all the hard work, I will follow any method he deems appropriate.
answered 14 Apr '10, 17:10
In case y'all were wondering...
The current plans for SQLA are "wait and see"... wait and see if the folks at StackExchange change their minds about eliminating the Software-as-a-Service model altogether, wait and see if the deadline changes, wait and see if... if...
Let's be honest, the "wait" part is true, but it's "wait until"... as in "wait until my temper cools."
It might not matter what the folks at StackExchange say or do from this point forward because the trust is gone. You have to trust someone before you do business with them, that's a prerequisite.
answered 15 Apr '10, 18:54
Here's the current status as of midday Saturday April 17 FPT ( Florida Poolside Time :)... a copy of the latest SQLA data dump is in Rick Ross's hands, and he's going to make a private OSQA implementation available for me to evaluate.
Then, I'm going to have a look and decide if OSQA's worth pursuing further.
And then, we'll see where we go from there.
answered 17 Apr '10, 16:18